tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post3923521916196583842..comments2024-02-26T05:18:55.357-08:00Comments on Motorcycle Philosophy: Only Dead Riders are Unsafe RidersSteve Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07254867681706917705noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-18968884290597443852014-01-01T09:45:18.049-08:002014-01-01T09:45:18.049-08:00Disagree. Safe riding is defined. There is a body ...Disagree. Safe riding is defined. There is a body of riding knowledge backed up by research and well-tested methodologies.<br />Whether you like the greeting or the reminder is separate from whether safe riding is defined. <br />Whether road racing or street riding, the strategies, skills and equipment are known for safety as well as performance,<br />There are many books and riding schools that list, explain and teach these. <br />Whether we care to be aware of all that or learn it is separate from if it exists. (Philosophy?)<br />Professional riders know it and practice it often. Riding safe is defined.<br />I try to ride safe. I hope you do too. No apologies.<br />Thinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05712564047300457999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-63869150555146877632013-11-22T09:51:00.906-08:002013-11-22T09:51:00.906-08:00You've tried to define something which can'...You've tried to define something which can't be defined in a general sense. What about riders who are alive but paralyzed? They're not dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-34016439055191180362013-11-11T11:48:11.524-08:002013-11-11T11:48:11.524-08:00Since there is no way to define "safe riding&...Since there is no way to define "safe riding" over "unsafe riding", what other way is there to define it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-73218382034281101792013-11-11T10:36:44.601-08:002013-11-11T10:36:44.601-08:00"Only Dead Riders are Unsafe Riders"
Wh..."Only Dead Riders are Unsafe Riders"<br /><br />What do you define as a safe rider? Simply people who don't die? I find this statement very disrespectful toward those bikers who have died through the unavoidable incompetence of others. Freak accidents do happen you know. Not everything is avoidable, no matter how safe you are. What an ignorant generalization to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-14619697960719713852013-11-09T05:10:03.506-08:002013-11-09T05:10:03.506-08:00Chris - you may have it with "ride far,"...Chris - you may have it with "ride far," after all that would imply that one might have ridden safely, that is if they have gotten far either that or their luck just hasn't run out yet.VStar Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634216576989421497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-37408576852141370382013-11-08T06:08:20.338-08:002013-11-08T06:08:20.338-08:00I can remember Sash making a comment about how the...I can remember Sash making a comment about how the phrase "ride safe" irks her. My feeling on it is that it's just a general farewell. But at the same time, I suppose, yeah, I do want you to ride safe. Perhaps I should more accurately say to riders: "Don't die. And, to a lesser extent, please don't make motorcycling more difficult for me through your actions toward those who can't tell us apart." <br /><br />I like offering some sort of farewell to fellow riders. With y'all's opinions about "ride safe" on my mind, recently I've been trying out "Vaya con Dios" but it doesn't really work well in the UK because Spanish is (strangely) a pretty uncommon language here.<br /><br />I've noticed that the dudes at Indian Motorcycles will often say "Ride far" in their videos. Perhaps I'll try that on for size.Chris Copehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09802450324154596848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-11249816222959769952013-11-06T12:42:45.892-08:002013-11-06T12:42:45.892-08:00PS: Have a nice day!PS: Have a nice day!Dan Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08607310510926688099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-85634231844060527412013-11-06T12:27:50.614-08:002013-11-06T12:27:50.614-08:00I see your line of thought, but a quick comment fr...I see your line of thought, but a quick comment from a fellow rider may mean the difference of wearing ATGATT and taking care with lane splitting. <br /><br />Hearing, "Ride Safe!" from a friend is always a nice reminder (as "sometimes" I ride in a manner that wouldn't make my mama proud...think "wheelies on the I-8" while wearing shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops for a point of reference!).Dan Diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08607310510926688099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-52705382759972015912013-11-05T07:02:39.742-08:002013-11-05T07:02:39.742-08:00Like in many things, folks get so wrapped up in sa...Like in many things, folks get so wrapped up in safety, security, reliability and all the other baggage of "being a good person"... they forget the main thing... To freaking live.<br /><br />You know what happens in the end to the safe? the reliable? and the careful? <br /><br />The same damn thing that happens to the wild eyed risk taker... They DIE.<br /><br />So, the issue isn't, or shouldn't be, how you avoid the unavoidable... but how you best LIVE what time you do have. ... I'm not telling anyone to go out, get drunk and do wheelies in the city park while riding standing up naked on the pillion! ... I'm saying... all this fanatical focus about safety, paranoia, and eternal vigilance so that NOTHING goes wrong... is misguided.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393694530214889235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-28572968730883275782013-11-04T09:44:50.378-08:002013-11-04T09:44:50.378-08:00Steve:
I like your idea of promoting controversy ...<b>Steve:</b><br /><br />I like your idea of promoting controversy and letting us use our own "life's filters" . I know what you mean about hearing certain phrases which just filter into one ear and out the other. Phrases like " riding a motorcycle is dangerous " or they don't understand why we don't just trailer our bike to where we are going, rather than understand that it is all about riding the roads and the journey<br /><br />I used to say "ride safe" too, now I have to find another phrase<br /><br />Enjoy your ride<br />bob<br /><a href="http://www.wetcoastscootin.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Riding the Wet Coast</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05258612401956399482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-90206873085665805572013-11-03T21:28:29.317-08:002013-11-03T21:28:29.317-08:00Because I understand you a little bit I know what ...Because I understand you a little bit I know what you mean, as we've had this discussion many times. I feel all riders have their own individual definition of riding safely and most choose to exercise that to the degree that suits their mood that day. <br /><br />That said, I don't see any need to impose my ideas of safe riding on anyone else.<br /><br />As a closing bid of fare-thee-well, I choose to say Ride Fun! This implies "I hope you enjoy your ride, however you choose to ride it." <br /><br />Love you, <br />Sash<br />www.SashMouth.comSash Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030587181417666338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-20250576008003173442013-11-03T15:02:50.035-08:002013-11-03T15:02:50.035-08:00There's no hidden meaning. A few posts ago I ...There's no hidden meaning. A few posts ago I wrote a piece called, "<a href="http://www.motorcyclephilosophy.org/2013/10/the-devil-in-details.html" rel="nofollow">Devil in the Details</a>" where I felt that writing shorter articles where I let you think about the details, instead of me pounding everything out, will encourage you to think about what it means to you, instead of what it means to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-29940545705488631452013-11-03T09:52:48.590-08:002013-11-03T09:52:48.590-08:00Well, your poke of the pig didn't cause the ra...Well, your poke of the pig didn't cause the rash of comments I suspected. Just the title alone was thought invoking. Such as, "What the Hell did I just read?"<br /><br />However, as I read the piece I began to see it as it, hopefully, was pointing out those useless phrases folks use; sorta like why do you ride a motorcycle? Of course everyone who throws a leg over a bike intends to ride safe. Now some idiots, like those sports bike riders, in the New York area aren't sure what riding safe entails, but riding safe does factor into arriving at your destination. Sometimes getting lucky is part of safely riding.<br /><br />Personally, I enjoyed the post and trying decide if there was any hidden meaning to it. Learning to Golfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03184277358166730368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-25347062837536167412013-11-03T07:49:22.850-08:002013-11-03T07:49:22.850-08:00I too am inclined to agree with Curt and Janet.
A...I too am inclined to agree with Curt and Janet.<br /><br />And IMHO arriving alive and unscathed after drinking any amount of alcohol isn't riding safe, it is riding lucky.<br /><br />Around here we don't usually say ride safe, it is usually - keep the shiny side up.Trobairitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03453398807198746434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-76114259948342977652013-11-02T10:24:47.674-07:002013-11-02T10:24:47.674-07:00Steve, I have to agree with Janet. When I tell so...Steve, I have to agree with Janet. When I tell someone to "Ride Safe" it's not just about arriving at your destination in one piece...it entails everything you do to get there. For instance, drinking alcohol and jumping on your bike isn't "riding safe" even if you don't kill yourself or someone else along the way. <br /><br />I also use "Ride Safe" as a way to show another rider respect. Respect for the fact that they have chosen to live life and not let it pass them by...respect for the fact that riding can be dangerous and that you have to be more concerned with watching out for others who may not be watching out for you.<br /><br />While not mutually exclusive, arriving alive and "riding safe" aren't the same thing...but you already knew that, didn't you. Thanks for writing an interesting "thought" piece. ~CurtCurt Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12546084176831072070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934741358915685354.post-18495873318334825262013-11-02T08:50:35.269-07:002013-11-02T08:50:35.269-07:00Disagree completely :) When I tell you to "ri...Disagree completely :) When I tell you to "ride safe" it doesn't just mean "make it home alive" - though certainly that's my wish for you every time you ride. The expression "ride safe" is also short-hand for a whole host of things that are too long to fit into a simple goodbye/well-wish. It means: think consciously about your safety while you are riding, don't take unnecessary risks, don't cause "oh shit moments" for others, DO make smart hazard-avoidance decisions, be diligent in looking out for yourself, don't cause a slew of near-misses or be a danger to others, don't make a hot-dogging ass of yourself in front of motorists who already hate you and want you dead, don't ride drunk/high/impaired, etc. You can make it home alive and still have violated every one of the above, but if you did, then no you are not a safe rider and you did not "ride safe." Janet / Corn Doghttp://www.bikerchicknews.comnoreply@blogger.com